I am in pain.
She just knocked the...out of me.
It's coming after my mom.
I think they want to kill me.
Her head's being bashed in.
She closed her eyes and never opened them again.
It would not be good to have living children around her.
She's like, "I want to hate,
I want to hurt, I want to destroy."
Panic, panic, panic.
My name is Amy Allan.
I'm seeing, like, blood.
The house just feels bad.
I see dead people.
This man is completely insane.
I speak to dead people.
Okay, she didn't like it in there.
And they speak to me.
He likes to twist that knife.
But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.
Something paranormal is trying to kill them.
I rely on my partner.
I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
I'm a retired New York City homicide detective.
Now, does he die right there on the spot?
I know every person, every house has secrets.
I think it's trying to steal my soul.
It's my job to reveal them.
You ever get touched like that again?
But Steve and I never speak...
We never communicate during an investigation.
...until the very end.
I'm as stunned as you guys are.
We uncover it's safe for you to stay...
I don't want anything to happen to my daughter.
Or time to get out.
His goal is to kill you guys.
I'm in Berlin Heights, Ohio.
It's a small suburb about an hour west of Cleveland.
I got a call from a young woman named Brittany.
She says the house she grew up in was a paranormal war zone.
She and her sister got the hell out,
but her mom doesn't want to leave.
Brittany says if we can't help,
her mother's going to get seriously hurt.
Before Amy arrives,
I have to remove any leading information.
This home has a lot of family photos
and religious symbols, so it's important
that I cover or remove them all.
When I'm done, the location will be ready
for tonight's walk.
I don't like this.
I see all these black, like, vines growing
all over the land here.
They literally are embedded into the house from the ground.
They're carrying bad water and it's bad earth.
And it affects the living. These vines make people evil.
So, Brittany, when we spoke on the phone,
sounded like you were pretty desperate.
What the hell's going on?
Something's been going after my mom.
She's already been physically hurt,
and I'm worried that it's just going
to get worse from here.
Now, Brittany, I know you don't live in the house anymore,
but who exactly does?
So, my sister and I, we grew up here,
but we've since moved out.
Okay.
Right now, currently, my mom and dad.
When you did live here, did you have experiences?
Yeah, since day one.
Most nights, I'd cry myself to sleep.
What about your sister?
Yeah, it was just as bad for her.
So, I'm curious, does coming back here
bother you at all?
Yes. I have a little 8- month-old,
and I don't want anything to hurt her.
Do me a favor. Can you give me an idea
what everybody's experiencing here?
We've heard lots of footsteps.
Okay.
We have objects moving.
We've seen apparitions.
There's dark shadows.
And now it's gotten to the point
where people are getting physically harmed.
When you said, "physical attacks,"
what are we talking about?
My mom, she ended up getting bit one night.
She was upstairs in bed, and she saw this lady.
And she ended up biting her,
and then there was also bruises.
She actually saw somebody --
Yeah. And then that person bit her?
Yeah.
In 140, some-odd cases, I've never heard
of somebody actually seeing the apparition,
and then the apparition bit them.
Yeah.
How's your mom holding up with all this going on?
Most days, she's okay, but some days,
she gets shaken up by it.
My sister, she had mentioned,
that she's been shorter with her recently.
What do you think is here?
I know that they're negative --
Right.
And I know that they're bad.
It's coming after my mom.
It just wants to hurt her.
Here.
It's okay.
So there's a dead woman out here.
She died. It was not good. It was bad.
And her head's being bashed in.
The black vines might be what's bringing her
to this property.
I don't know.
Problem is is that these things go into the house
and affect the living.
They can make them extremely depressed.
It's bad, it's bad.
Okay, so what's going on in here?
Lots of dark shadows.
There's one specific that comes to mind.
It was like a snake-like figure.
Where exactly was it?
It came from the ceiling and followed me up the stairs,
and then it disappeared.
Okay, so anything else?
Yeah, so I hear running around my bedroom,
running around the hallways, and then also,
footsteps up in the attic.
Tormented me most of my upbringing here.
I would cry myself to sleep a lot of the nights.
Okay, anything else?
Outside of the garage, I saw an apparition
of a young girl wearing all white, and brown hair.
She came off more negative, and almost vengeful.
So this young girl scared you?
Yeah.
It seemed like she could do something to hurt me.
I got a dead little girl between the age of 4 and 5.
She's wearing a little blue and white dress,
white stockings, white shoes.
I don't know what her connection is
to this place specifically.
All I know is that she's here.
Really adorable kid, really cute.
Cutie, but she's not good.
And I saw her transform, and it was bad.
Yeah, this kid is causing all kinds of commotion.
There's always -- she's always running,
she's always on the go, she's always go, go, going.
She's like a little tornado.
I think that they would hear a child running a lot.
She's very hyper kid, and she does a lot of things
that kids would do.
Like this towel, she would pull down, and she bites people.
She's very mean -- biting legs, pulling on people, spazzing.
Talking to your sister, Brittany, earlier,
and she was telling me
how traumatic it was growing up here.
It was very scary, very nerve-wracking.
This is my old room.
It makes me very, very uncomfortable,
and I won't come in here by myself.
Can you tell me about some of the experiences you had?
Probably the scariest thing for me --
all my drapes started to go up an down at the same time.
Were any windows open?
No.
Now that's like something out of a horror movie?
Yes.
Okay, anything else?
I used to sleep with the radio on
to tune out the noises.
Every night, my radio station would change,
and I'd wake up to ballroom music.
So you go to bed with one station on, wake up to another?
Yep, pretty much.
It was a bad experience.
Boy.
Mostly just the kid in here running amok.
She causes a lot of chaos and physical disturbances,
throughout the house.
I think the kid can play with energy,
so there would be some light issues...
...television issues,
computer issues down here.
She might mess with the curtains
or the couch or the chair.
She is crazy.
Your sister mentioned to me, that you thought
your mother had a change in her personality.
Can you tell me about that?
She's just more standoffish. She's irritated.
She's short. She's just not the same.
It's not the mom I grew up with.
Do you think it's the paranormal in this house?
I do. It's like they're, like,
sucking the life out of her.
Your sister thinks she's in danger.
What do you think?
I think that something could really,
potentially, hurt her.
Okay.
This little girl is a big problem.
She can be malicious towards the living.
She was trying to bind me with the vines.
I feel like she tries to make people stay here
or not be able to leave here.
And tries to infect them with the vines.
And what would being infected with these vines do?
Could cause somebody to kill themselves
or get sick, I guess.
And then what?
Die?
Well, Tammy, I was talking to
your daughter, Brittany, who asked us to come in,
and she's pretty worried about you.
She thinks you're in danger here.
Do you agree with her?
Yes, it's gotten very bad.
At first, it wasn't that threatening,
but the last few years it's --
I feel like we're in danger.
Both your daughters gave me a laundry list
of experiences they've had.
Yes. Okay, what about you?
We have a lot of knocking.
It'll sound like it's knocking on doors.
It'll be knocking on walls.
Sometimes it sounds like there's 100 people,
beating on the outside of our house.
What about pipes? No.
I've come down to make sure that's not what it was.
Anything else?
We have constant shadow people.
I see them every day.
Now, Brittany mentioned to me
she sees snake-like shadow figures.
What do you see?
They're dark.
Like a person, but they're spread out.
I see them come down the steps.
They like to go across the ceiling.
And I'll wake up, and they'll be above you,
and it feels like they're trying to suck your breath.
Feels like I can't get any air.
What do you think these things want?
Well, I think they want to kill me.
Feels very oppressive down here.
This is a very painful place to live in physically.
Feels like I'm drowning.
There's a male associated with this space.
He doesn't want to be seen, doesn't want to be known.
Okay, he does do the black mist thing.
People do see a black shadow person down here.
He really does try to push his energy,
and push you out.
People are hearing loud noises down here,
like loud crashes, bangs, whatever.
I feel like he's grabbing the back of my neck, like a doll.
I am in pain.
People would feel him.
I'm feeling like they need to get out of here
as quickly as possible.
Okay, so what's going on up here?
My health has been declining.
I feel pains all across the left side of my body,
in my knee, and in my shoulder, and the back of my neck.
Why do you think your health problems are paranormal?
I've been to the doctor, and the pain that I'm having,
there's no medical issue that goes along with it.
Anything else?
I woke up with a bite mark on my arm.
Okay, your daughter, Brittany, told me about that.
Yes, and I've also woken up with bruises.
I have a picture right here.
I'll wake up, and it's on my limbs.
They're quite large.
Now, these bruises hurt? Yes.
And there's no autoimmune disease problem, or --
No. Okay.
No. Anything else?
Well, I saw an apparition of a lady
right in the hallway here.
She was in Victorian clothing,
and she was probably, like, about 30 years old.
Did you ever see an apparition like that again?
Yes, I woke up, startled, and it was a lady
floating above me.
She was all white and translucent.
Was it the same lady, though? No.
Can you describe the woman you saw above the bed?
Yes. She was probably like, 50s.
And she had all this frizzy hair,
and she was completely white, also.
Do you think she's the one who attacked you?
Yes.
The first lady was peaceful, and this one was evil.
Your daughter Mandy told me
that your personality's changed a little bit.
Do you agree with that?
I would, yeah.
You know, not feeling that great.
I'm really drained all the time.
It's getting worse.
This is probably hard for you to hear,
but Brittany was telling me, that she's kind of worried
about bringing her daughter here.
Yeah, that's very painful.
We want to know she's safe when she's here
and not have to worry about anything attacking her
or hurting her, so we went to the best,
we went to you guys.
There's a woman who is a raging lunatic.
She's pissed, man.
Does she affect the living in any way?
I'm not sure how they see her.
She doesn't let anybody sleep.
She's trying to talk to people all the time.
Whoa.
She just knocked the...out of me.
So she is extremely physical, and I think she'd hurt them.
Hitting them, choking them, smothering them in their beds.
I would be nervous about kids being around her, too.
I think it would not be good
to have living children around her -- at all.
This dead woman would beat living children.
The other thing she's doing, is draining my energy.
I think living people would probably have nausea,
anxiety, like feel irritable, anxious, sleepy,
things like that.
And she's like, "I want to hate, I want to hurt,
I want to destroy."
Amy and I have already done a few investigations
in this part of Ohio, so I've got a bunch
of local contacts here.
One of them, my old friend Kim Macdonald,
says one of the original owners of the house has a tragic story
that's definitely gonna help my investigation.
Well, Kim, It's good to see you again.
- Good to see you. - So you mentioned on the phone
the Elson family had a pretty tragic story.
What can you tell me about them?
The Elsons, Joseph and Luticia, moved into the area,
with their 12 children in tow.
Wow.
In 1874, they moved into the house
that your clients live in right now.
Now, you also mentioned on the phone
that things got bad when they moved here.
What happened? Yes, three years later,
in 1877, their daughter Julia developed a blood infection
and she died.
And how old was she at the time of her death?
She was 33, prime of her life.
Now, Kim, do we have any idea what caused this infection?
All it says on the death record is septicemia and fever.
They move there, Julia dies. What happens after that?
Three years after Julia dies, Maggie,
she also comes up with
the very same type of infection,
and Maggie died in February of 1880.
In the house?
In the house.
Here is her death record.
Okay, now, how old was Maggie when she died?
She was 33.
So we got two sisters the same age, 33 years old,
dying of the same disease.
Right.
How'd Luticia take this?
Luticia did not handle it well.
The same year that she lost Maggie,
Luticia's health started to go downhill,
Luticia developed edema, which is like
a swelling under the skin, it's very painful.
Doctor gave her some morphine,
try to ease the pain.
She overdosed.
So, November, 1880,
she closed her eyes and never opened them again.
Here's her obituary.
She was 71 when she died.
Luticia's funeral was actually held
in your client's house.
I'm trying to get something on that woman who attacked me.
So she lived here with her husband
who she...hated with...a passion.
This is going back.
I mean, she's talking about 1870s.
She doesn't like children, but she had kids.
I feel like her kids died.
There's been quite a few deaths surrounding her.
Any idea how she died?
I'm seeing a woman falling to the floor.
I just feel very sick and light-headed here.
I feel like I'm gonna fall down.
I feel dizzy, I feel weak, I feel heavy.
She took medicine?
Maybe took too much, I don't know.
So far I've got a client worried something's going after
her mom on a property where one of the original owners
suffered several tragic deaths.
But I want to see if there's anything else.
Searching through old records, I come across Hudson Tuttle.
Turns out Tuttle claimed to be a medium
and lived right down the street from Tammy's property.
I'm heading over to meet with a local historian
who says this Tuttle guy was a real piece of work.
Mary, thanks for meeting me.
So, what'd you find out about Hudson Tuttle?
He was born in Berlin Heights in 1836.
When he was just 19 years old,
he wrote a book on psychic phenomenon.
He became well-known as a medium,
not just in the town, but all over the world.
Was he very active in this town?
Yes, he went around town and held seances.
Tuttle wanted to help other people,
to communicate with the dead.
So he actually invented something
that was similar to a Ouija board,
and it's called the psychograph.
And it was a device used to communicate with the dead.
Of course, then they used them
all over the area of Berlin Heights.
People had them in their home.
You know, so working with Amy,
I know that doing that Ouija board stuff
in one house is bad enough,
but if he's doing it throughout the whole town,
that can't be good.
It might be a stab in the dark,
but the Elson family lived down the street
in my client's house around that time.
Any idea if he knew them?
Yes, he knew the Elsons,
and he must have known them pretty well
because I found this article.
When the Elson's daughter Maggie died in 1880,
he conducted the funeral services.
He did the funeral service?
Yes, and he was very close to the family.
Any chance that the Elsons
would have had something like psychographs?
I would say it's a high probability
that they did have one.
So whatever happened with him?
Hudson Tuttle, he stayed in Berlin Heights.
He lived there his whole life,
and he died of kidney disease, nephritis, in 1910,
when he was 74 years old.
And the interesting thing is that he's buried
just about 100 yards from your client's property.
There's an old man, white beard, mustache,
tall and thin, pale, age 65.
Like, I feel like maybe he was born here,
and that evil got right into him right away.
I wonder if those vines made him turn bad.
Just that the vines extend very far.
And I'm afraid that they can kill.
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You know, another thing caught my attention in research.
There used to be a cult near the house that Brittany grew up in,
and one of its members killed himself right on the grounds.
So I'm heading over to meet my old buddy,
retired detective, Tom Armelli,
who's looking into this case for me.
I know this kid committed suicide
right near my client's property,
but before we get to that, what do you know about this kid?
Well, his name was Charles Latcha.
He was 19 years old.
He comes to Berlin Heights
to join this free-love commune.
That sounds like some kind of "woo-woo" crap.
How close was this place to my client's property?
It's probably about 800 feet
from the property that you're looking at.
What happens with this kid Charles?
Charles Latcha was a printer by trade,
and when he came to the commune,
they appointed him to be in charge
of their newspaper.
What was this group all about?
They gave up all their worldly possessions,
they disavowed their marriages.
The place became a magnet for single women,
widows, divorcees, and the like.
It was more or less like a hippie commune
of this time period.
Sounds like a cult.
By today's definitions,
that's probably exactly what it was.
Did the community buy into this?
The Berlin Heights residents did not take kindly
to this group of free-lovers living in their town.
One of the things they did was they attacked
the wagons that were delivering the newspapers,
that Latcha had printed.
They wouldn't allow the free-lovers' kids
to attend school in Berlin Heights.
There actually came a point in time
where the sheriff did make several arrests
and charged some of the free-lovers
with various sex-related crimes.
They were all eventually released with the agreement
that they would leave the county and not come back.
From this point on, the commune dwindled down
to very few members,
Charles being one of the last holdouts.
Most of the community is gone, but Charles stayed behind.
What happened?
On June 22nd, 1858, Charles obtains a gun.
After he penned his suicide note,
he shot himself in the chest at his print shop.
There were witnesses there that I was able
to communicate with, and at the time,
he was very upset, he was cursing God,
cursing marriage, cursing the whole free-love commune,
and that was the end.
Here's a copy of Charles's suicide note
that he printed in the free-love newspaper.
Wow, he went out really bitter
about the whole thing.
Yes.
These vines affect the living in horrible ways.
And I know that vines carry heavy depression,
so it could cause somebody to kill themselves.
I'm thinking this may have happened to a male nearby.
He says, "It doesn't matter, I didn't matter,
nothing matters," and, um...
I see a shotgun.
It's very graphic, it's bad.
It's just, blech.
I saw several disturbing things
during my walk, but two stood out.
First, the vines that turn people evil.
They're thicker, almost like arteries.
They're all over the ground, alive,
but melded with the house.
Okay.
Next I described the psycho woman
beating a living person in a bedroom upstairs.
There was a female in the bed, scared,
trying to pretend that this is not happening.
Behind her is this dead woman
who has extremely long brown hair, and she has no face.
Amy, is this what you saw?
Yes, that's what I saw.
Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations,
we're ready to reveal our findings to each other
and our clients for the first time.
Well, Amy, this is Brittany and her mother Tammy.
Now, Brittany grew up in this house,
and she says the paranormal activity here
made her childhood a living hell.
She called us in because now that she's moved out,
whatever's here is going after her mom.
Both of them are convinced it's dangerous,
and if you can't find a way to fix it,
Tammy's going to wind up seriously hurt
or, God forbid, dead.
Now that Amy knows a little bit about you guys,
I'm gonna ask her to describe her walk for us.
When I got here, I saw a male who committed suicide.
I heard a gunshot, and I heard this male saying,
"Nothing matters, I don't matter."
And that was in the backyard area.
Later on, I walked down into the basement
and I ran into the same dead male.
Boy, was he pissed.
I could not get anything, history-wise,
concerning this male because he did not want me down there.
There was a pretty interesting suicide
right near here, actually.
The guy who killed himself was a 19-year-old
named Charles Latcha.
Charles came to Berlin Heights to join the cult
the free-love commune in the 1850s.
Now, the commune bought up about 90 acres in town
and set up their headquarters just about 800 feet from here.
Now, back in that time, this area was pretty religious.
People didn't like what was going on,
so them, along with the sheriff, wind up
running most of the cult members out of town.
Latcha was pretty broken up about the cult falling apart
because it's all he had,
and he fell into a serious depression.
Now, on June 22, 1858, he shot himself in the chest.
Okay, I got a suicide note here.
It's tough to read, but basically in the note,
he talked about how much he hated marriage,
and everything else for that matter.
Wow.
Can he interact with the living at all?
Yes. His energy is extremely consuming.
If he's around, then you're feeling
the anxiety and the need to get the hell out of there
as quickly as possible.
The other thing that he likes to do
is to make a lot of noise.
So you hear loud banging, crashing sounds.
He can get physical with the living.
He got me from behind,
just grabbed my neck and was squeezing super hard.
I think the living would experience
neck pain from him.
Do you think it has to do with
my neck pain that I always have?
Yeah, definitely.
Tammy, do me a favor.
Tell Amy about the banging and knocking sounds you hear.
It's very scary.
It's usually down, like, underneath
the step area, is where it's intense.
Growing up, we used to always run up there
feeling like something's gonna grab you.
- So what else? - There's this little girl
from hell.
She's definitely one of the most active dead people here.
She's about 4 or 5 years old.
I saw her wearing, like, a little blue dress,
little pig tails.
She looks innocent, but she has an evil element to her.
She has a lot of energy.
She's like a little tornado, constantly running.
Running, running, running like a maniac.
Yes. Yeah, running up and down
the stairs, around the room.
Interesting.
She likes to grab and pull on things
that are within her reach,
and also she'll affect electronics --
TVs, radios, lights, things like that.
She can get really physical with the living,
and one of the things she kept doing to me was
punching my kidneys and stuff,
just punch, punch, punch, punch, punch.
So I think that people would have lower back pain.
Well, some of the experiences you're talking about
these guys have been having.
Brittney, talk about the little girl you saw
you told me about.
The little girl we saw was outside of the garage,
and she was wearing a white gown,
and brown hair.
Amy, Brittney's sister, Mandy,
told me that her radio stations
used to get changed randomly.
They'd randomly change from
alternative rock to what sounds like
what you'd be in the elevator listening to.
Wow.
Mandy also had an experience with the drapes
going up and down in her bedroom.
Would that be this kid? Yeah.
Wow.
So now I'm upstairs, and I ran into a dead woman.
What I got with her is that she lived here
with her husband and her children.
She looked very well dressed,
very well put together, but she's nasty.
This was between 1860-1870.
She is mentally unstable.
She hated her husband and their children.
She doesn't like children, but she had kids.
I feel like her kids died.
There's been quite a few deaths surrounding her.
Also, she either killed herself
or she wanted to kill herself.
It's not much to go on, but based on the time period
I have an idea of who you might've seen.
Now, her name was Luticia Elson.
She and her husband Joseph
bought and moved into this house in 1874.
Now, they were both farmers
and raised 12 children together.
Holy...
I don't know anything about Luticia
hating her kids, but her times in the house
were hard, I can tell you that much.
In 1877, her adult daughter Julia
died from a blood infection.
She was 33 years old.
I got her death record.
Now, just three years after that,
Luticia's daughter Maggie got sick with a similar infection.
She died right here in the house in 1880.
Just three years later. How old was she?
33.
Interesting.
I go there death record here, as well.
You can imagine it's pretty devastating
for a mother to lose two kids.
Not long after Maggie died, Luticia's health went bad.
Luticia suffered from edema, which is a very painful thing
that makes the body tissues swell.
The doctor gave her morphine to ease her pain.
Now, at some point, she overdosed on morphine and died.
She died here when she was 71 years old.
This is the record about her death.
Luticia's funeral was also held here in the house in 1880.
Is it even possible that's who you saw?
I'm leaning more towards maybe one of her daughters
because this woman hated children.
Hated them.
She still hates them.
Maggie had no kids.
Well, that would make sense.
Does she do anything to these guys?
Yes.
Her energy is extremely intense
and very overwhelming.
Being around her upstairs you would feel
extremely anxious, irritable, and nauseous.
She drains you, so she can drain you like that.
I don't feel like I ever get to sleep
because I'm drained all the time.
The other thing that she does,
possibly you would see her,
and I saw a younger woman.
I would put her --
I would've put her in her 20s or 30s.
The thing that really bothered me about her
is that she can be extremely physical,
and that gets down to hitting, choking,
and attacking the living in your bed.
I saw an apparition of a young lady.
She was, like, 20, in a Victorian dress.
But at the time, to me, it was peaceful.
It didn't scare me.
And then I woke up startled,
and there was a lady above me
and she was all white with all this frizzy hair,
and when I got up, I had a bite mark on my arm.
She was older, she was like 50s.
Interesting.
Now, I got a photo of the bite mark right here.
Aw, geez.
She also wakes up with bruises.
Okay.
All right, so this bite, the bruise,
and feeling drained, is this all from
this woman you're talking about?
Yeah.
I'm gonna show you something that I saw in a sketch.
Geez.
My God.
Then there's two ladies after me in bed?
No, there's just one,
but she can shift her image to look like her.
She borrows images.
So it's the same woman you saw in two different forms.
I got to ask you, you called us in because
you were worried about your mom.
When you see this,
I mean, what's going through your mind?
It's horrible.
I don't want her to be hurt.
And because this woman hated kids so much,
I don't think this is a safe environment
for children at all.
I have a young daughter.
At a loss of words, if I'm honest.
Now I'm gonna talk about the biggest threat.
So I'm out in the backyard,
and what I see are these, like, vines.
They were dark black, and they were coming
out of the ground and engulfing the house.
What worries me about these vines
is they can spread depression and anger.
You guys felt any of that?
I've felt sadness before, randomly.
Yeah, you can feel emotions that don't make sense.
It's not what you're really feeling.
I don't know if you guys would actually
see these vines, but I did have
a sketch done of what I saw.
Is there any way that they can come inside?
Yes.
I think I know why Brittney's asking you this question,
because of what we talked about, what you saw inside the house.
So, we always refer to them as "dark shadows."
Because they're like a snake
and they'll go around the ceilings
and up the walls. Wow.
I see them pretty much every day now during the day.
Now the shadows they're seeing, are those these vines?
Yeah, I think so.
So the vines that are coming
into the house can carry negative energy
and emotions with them,
and can negatively affect the living people inside.
If you're exposed too long to the vines,
I think you would experience suicidal thoughts,
a change in personality, anger.
So, Amy, that's one of the biggest
reasons we're here.
Tammy, when I talked to your daughter Mandy,
she mentioned she noticed a change in you.
That I was getting a little bit short,
a little impatient.
So, could that be from the vines?
Yes.
So the worst case is that you
are infected by them, i.e. becoming ill
and dying from them.
I'm really surprised at what this really is,
'cause I thought for sure it was, you know,
shadow people and real demons,
so this is kind of better.
I mean.
It's not good.
You've got, like, one woman who's getting you
in these vines that can kill people.
Brute downstairs that can cause you physical pain.
But you think it's not bad.
You think it's better than what it was gonna be,
and there's someone trying to kill you.
It doesn't make sense.
So, Brittney, you called us in because you thought
your mother was in danger.
Now it's time to address the question you called us in for.
Is it going to be safe for your mom to stay here,
or should she just pack up
and get the hell out while she can?
For that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
You can stay.
But there are quite a few things
that you need to do.
First, get a physical medium.
This medium needs to come in and remove Maggie,
the woman upstairs.
The woman who died at 33 in the house?
Correct. Okay.
Now this is gonna be unusual,
but what I would like you to do
is to get an audience together for her,
and the medium is gonna stand up
and is going to relay for 60 minutes
the most important things Maggie feels
occurred in her life.
Once that's done, she will be moved on.
So once the medium comes in and moves Maggie on,
basically, she'll start feeling better?
Well, you won't get beat up.
I'm very happy to hear that.
A few days later, have the medium come back
and try to move on the little girl.
After that, the medium needs to go downstairs
and move the male on that's down there.
This is going to take a lot of convincing
because he feels so at home
and so comfortable down there, but it can be done.
Do you recommend having the same medium
do all of it?
Yeah, I do.
The last thing you need to do
is kill these vines.
You're going to get a lot of tar water.
You're gonna put it in a spray bottle,
and you're gonna go outside,
and where the house meets the ground
is where you're aiming, okay?
You're gonna go along the entire outside
of the house doing this.
Do not miss a spot.
When you're spraying the tar water,
these are shriveling and dying.
So the tar water is gonna destroy
the vines that are coming into the house?
Yes.
So that's everything you have to do.
Once that's all done, though, this house will be
safe enough to live in?
Yes.
It'll be very quiet.
Brittney, I'm curious.
Would you rather see your mother move or do all this?
Be honest.
If I'm 100% honest, I don't really trust
what's in the yard, because you're gonna
be around that all the time still,
and it could still affect you.
So you'd rather see your mom and dad move?
At this point, yeah,
but I know her, and she'll be stubborn
and not listen when it comes to staying here.
Knowing how your daughter feels, what are you thinking?
I think we'll do the work.
We have to at least try and see how it works.
When will it be safe
for Brittney to bring her daughter around?
As soon as the last thing's been done basically,
with the tar water.
I think it's amazing.
You really solved everything.
It's good to have answers.
Brittney and Tammy have a lot of work ahead of them,
but if they contact a medium to remove the dead,
and kill the vines with the tar water,
Tammy can stay in her home and Brittney can find peace
knowing her mother will be safe.